S1E16

Energy Democracy in CEE | Lorena Skiljan on Scaling Energy Communities & Micro-PPAs | TEB S1E16

with Lorena Skiljan· Noville· 68m

TL;DR

Noville's platform enables energy communities and micro-PPAs, reducing costs and fostering local, clean energy across Europe.

Synopsis

Lorena Skiljan, CEO of Noville, discusses her journey into the energy sector and the development of Noville's digital platform for energy communities. The platform facilitates direct electricity supply from local assets to consumers, matching production and demand in 15-minute intervals. This model offers significant savings on grid costs and taxes, making local renewable energy more accessible and attractive. Noville's approach involves market education and simulation tools to onboard customers, particularly in new markets. The company pools diverse assets (wind, hydro, PV) to ensure stable supply and is expanding across Europe, with Germany being a key focus due to its large electricity market and recent regulatory changes. Skiljan emphasizes the need for grid modernization and flexibility (storage) to support the energy transition.

Key metrics

by the numbers · 8

60%
Grid cost savings
2.3 cent/kWh
Electricity tax savings
60
Noville German customers
12-14 cent/kWh
Utility electricity price
6-7 cent/kWh
Asset owner production cost
250
Noville energy communities in Austria
50
Noville employees
2060
China carbon neutrality goal

Topics

8 tags

Energy CommunitiesMicro-PPAsRegulatory FrameworksGrid CostsDSO DataMarket EducationDecentralized EnergyDigitalization

Stats

Duration: 1h 08m
Words: 11.7k
Questions: 34

Timeline

14 chapters

Introduction of Lorena Skiljan
Lorena Skiljan, CEO of Noville, is introduced as an entrepreneur with a background in law and energy, set to discuss energy communities.
Personal Journey into Energy
Lorena recounts her career path from law studies in Vienna to working at a major Austrian utility, eventually pursuing an MBA in energy management.
Founding Noville from a Sandbox Project
Her last project at the utility was an energy community research 'sandbox' in Vienna, which proved successful and led to her decision to start Noville.
Noville's Platform Explained
Lorena describes Noville's digital platform as a tool that matches electricity production from assets (PV, hydro, wind, storage) with consumer demand in 15-minute intervals.
Market Entry and Education Strategy
Noville initially used 15-minute simulations to educate potential customers about the benefits of energy communities and alleviate their concerns, a crucial tool for market adoption.
Micro-PPAs and Asset Pooling
Micro-PPAs are discussed as structured contracts for smaller, localized energy amounts. Noville pools diverse assets (wind, hydro, PV) to ensure a stable, year-round supply for communities.
Customer Acquisition Focus
Noville currently has a strong pipeline of asset owners wanting to join their pool and is actively seeking more customers to match the growing supply.
Benefits of Energy Communities
Participants in energy communities save up to 60% on grid costs and pay zero electricity taxes, in addition to getting cheaper electricity directly from asset owners.
European Regulatory Landscape
Austria is a front-runner in energy community regulation, with other EU countries, including Germany (whose law starts in 2026), looking to its model for implementation.
Grid Financing and Socialized Costs
The discussion addresses how grid infrastructure is financed as more self-producers emerge, noting that grid costs are largely socialized, similar to other public infrastructure.
Expansion into CEE and Multi-Site Solutions
Noville is expanding into Central and Eastern Europe, offering solutions for companies with multiple sites to share their self-produced energy across their various locations.
Future Investment Priorities
Lorena outlines two investment priorities: scaling Noville's bottom-up supply model and, as a policymaker, investing in grid infrastructure and flexibility (storage).
Role of AI and Digitalization
AI and digitalization are seen as crucial for increasing efficiency and stability in the energy system, particularly for forecasting and grid management.
Advice for Young Professionals
Lorena encourages young people, especially women, to enter the energy sector, highlighting its diverse career paths, purpose, and evolving, less rigid corporate culture.

Key insights

6 takeaways

01
Local energy cuts grid costs
Energy community participants save up to 60% on grid costs and pay zero electricity taxes, making local supply significantly cheaper than utility tariffs.
02
Market education crucial for adoption
Initial market entry for energy communities requires extensive education and simulation tools to demonstrate benefits and alleviate customer fears, especially for B2B clients.
03
Wind park acceptance increases locally
Municipalities directly supplied by local wind parks show 100% acceptance for new installations, demonstrating the power of direct economic benefits.
04
DSO data sharing is capability-limited
District System Operators (DSOs) are willing to share data but often lack the digital capabilities and manpower to do so efficiently, highlighting a key digitalization bottleneck.
05
Europe's regulatory standards drive global goals
Despite perceived inefficiency, Europe's high standards in environment, safety, and data protection influence global goals, as seen in China's alignment with EU targets.
06
Energy sector needs diverse talent
The energy sector offers a wide range of career paths, from technical to legal and economic, making it attractive for young professionals from diverse educational backgrounds.

Pull quotes

3 quotes

Without having any it was a sandbox because there was no regulation in place for providing consumers with electricity directly from the producing asset which what we call today energy community or energy sharing.
Lorena Skiljan
So if you are part of the energy community, you will pay up to 60% lesser of the grid cost. And the grid costs are the one that are growing each year.
Lorena Skiljan
So the system of just top down by even if they are 10 in Austria but by the big guys is just not sufficient for us to have a resilient energy supply for the future.
Lorena Skiljan

Transcript1683 cuesClick a timestamp to jump

Welcome to a new episode here in the
energy bridge. Today we have the
pleasure to have Lorena Skilan
CEO from Noville. Today we're going
to explore energy communities. You were
you are a entrepreneur by in your
soul. You have been involved in supply
chain. You mix also the studies in
laws with energy. So mixed with touch is
super interesting profile. You were part
of our
last forum also which was super
insightful and today Raul is wearing
super formal because we went to the
Indian embassy today. So yeah you look
great.
>> yeah and welcome Lorena and looking
forward for the conversation.
>> Thank you. looking forward to very happy
to be here.
>> Thank you, Lorena. I think we the
very first time that I saw you bought in
Milan last year and you come across as a
very vibrant person I can tell you and
we are very looking forward to all the
questions and how you getting some
answers for you. So please tell us
the very first thing when I we usually
have only one page when we see the
introduction of everyone but for you we
have three pages because you do so many
stuff.
>> Yeah. We would like to start with your
personal journey like how do you
ended up here in the energy sector?
what did you study before? What were
your motivations? So why you are here
now speaking about energy?
>> Okay. Thank you. say maybe what was
always like was part of my life and
this is what I of course realized
quite late but it's always going
out out of the comfort zone I'm
originally Croatian came for law studies
to Vienna not really speaking German to
be very honest and this was like the
first going completely out of the
comfort zone and then after the law
studies and being part of course of the
big law firms terms I made a decision
to go to the other industry. So it was
the next one okay going out of the
comfort zone of something that you have
studied in working for years in that
industry and then just completely
changed the industry and then I started
with a big utility of course with my law
studies and then and then I thought wow
it's so interesting this this topic
I'm really hot about it I want to learn
more and I learned a lot of with
the utility but then I made a decision
okay I need also to study this it
needs to be something where you
take book and then read and
after the law study you're just used to
study and to have books and then I went
to the University of the economics to
Veu and did an energy management MBA
and after after that after I
finished the MBA this was while I was
working within the utility then I
really completely cut doing legal stuff
and then I started doing actually
product development at the utility So I
I was then in charge for
approximately four years for the whole
product development of the biggest
Austrian utility. So doing like
electricity, natural gas, heating
tariffs but also all other products like
electromobility, PV systems,
broadband, internet,
telecommunication products. So
everything what like a big regular
utility brings to the market. And then
let's say it to come back to the comfort
zone as that start beginning a comfort
zone doing a product for utility. It was
like okay more or less what's next?
Yeah, at some point you come to the
question, okay, what's next? and one
of my last project with the utility was
actually energy community with a
district in Vienna with a high-end
district of FI at that moment and we did
a research project there for one year
without having any it was a sandbox
because there was no regulation in place
for providing consumers with
electricity directly from the producing
asset which what we call today energy
community or energy sharing. But at that
moment we did really as a research
project utility together with the
people living there and the guy who
owns the field and it was really
a total success. It was such a good
project. It was such a great and it was
like a moment for me to say hey that's
the next actually energy communities are
the next or let's say bottom up supply
market needs to be developed. It's the
next big thing on the energy market and
that was actually then at that point the
decision to say okay let's start noil
let's start own business and
this is how it happens actually
>> okay
>> and talking about entrepreneurship we
know in Austria entrepreneurship is a
bit more harder than the other places
but it's getting way way nicer now
but tell us about like how you
got into it like what were the
motivation the intrinsic motivation The
motivation is always, when you
start something like that, you don't
think about, what's keeping
you down or or what's what's stopping
you or what could be the problems.
You're always like triggered with the
good idea and with what what do you want
to reach., and so you don't think at
that moment so much about or you are
just ignoring what could be the
hard things because you really want to
do it. but actually it was what
what what triggered me the most it
was to create new things not
just to do more of the same and put a
different color on it or or a different
name of the product but to innovate but
it's still exactly but it's still a
tariff and it the tariff is a tariff is
a tariff like that poem a rose
is a rose is a rose and it can't be
anything else than a rose no matter
how you call it or how how you
what what what what you put on it and so
it was more like okay we need to do
something else the moment is here I want
to create something on the market
innovate and engage people
in into that model or whatever it
is so that was actually the motivation
the biggest one yeah
>> okay cool and we also wanted to know
the
how did your law background shape into
No. So you went there more technical
wise or more in the legal way?
>> Well, let's say electricity
doing things in the electricity business
when you go to supplying the end
consumers with electricity. And so it's
it's actually less a technical
thing., these are processes
which are set down by the regulation and
set down by the industry and you can't
innovate this this type of processes.
you can do on the top of the market you
know AI with forecast with this and that
but in a nutshell the core of the model
is always in the electricity and energy
business more or less the same like in
all highly regulated businesses like
banking sector let's say like that it's
always highly regulated so you have
always this core
>> which is like the same and then
>> around that you can play with technology
and all of this so the business
model in supply of electricity is
more business intelligence than let's
say to come up with a new extra super
genius technology. So it's it's not that
R&D, it's more like really business
intelligence. How do I put the
processes? How do I put the
product towards customer that's
efficient and all of this?
>> Yeah. Actually, you were the first
community energy community like fully
digital, right? Like with the first
platform, something we read in the news.
>> Yes. yeah we have a full full
platform but to be honest it's not
rocket science it's not a large R&D but
we have a full we have a platform which
is really having a full end to end
process for supplying electricity
from the producing asset so it can be a
PV but it's also hydro power plant or
wind meal or also a storage storage
technology and you need the end to-end
processes and this is exactly what the
platform does how does the kilowatt hour
goes from the producing asset to the end
consumer and then through that
process you need to build it and you to
do everything. Yeah. C
>> could you Lorena explain like from
the top down about Noel about the
about the product and then also about
the customers and also the problem that
you're solving.
>> Yeah. So what's actually actually
maybe how how I always put it in a very
very simple way., my parents
always had apartments in Croatia and
they always want to have Austrian
tourists and Austrian always wanted to
go to have their holidays and apartments
in Croatia.
>> But without having a booking.com between
the apartments of my parents and you
as an tourist who wants to go from
Austria to the holiday, you need to go
to Tui or whatever or you just can drive
there and say dingdong and maybe it's
free and maybe it's not free, .
So, it's exactly more or less the same.
Just to put it very in a very simple way
to say we have assets they produce
electricity every day or how we say an
energy business every 50 minutes and
they are consumer consuming electricity
but how do I put them together I need a
tool in between and this is actually the
no platform so we developed a platform
who has which has the capability to
really to really like track the
kilowatt hour from the asset to the to
the to the consumer and Even more the
platform matched on 15 minutes. So if
the asset is producing it matched which
consumer has in the same 15 minutes a
demand and then it matched and then the
kilowatt hour flows and then we can
build the kilowatt hours. So actually
without the platform because what you
need you can for forget like you can
take out all of these nice things around
it but what you need is an electricity
bill in the best way on the monthly
basis to be very honest instead of
yearly basis and if you can't provide
that you just can't run run the
model. So this is the most important
thing in thing in business and to be
able to do that to have these
capabilities you need to have APIs to
the DSOs because they are the data
provider on the one hand of course
and you need to have an access of course
to the customer and so we developed
the platform we develop all the
processes needed all the APIs needed and
all of that and this was like the way
how then we were really capable to
run the model. Nevertheless, only
because you can run the model, it
doesn't mean that somebody understands
your model or feels the need for your
model to be very honest. So the approach
to the market was not that easy because
just if you come to somebody and say hey
do you want to have energy community
it's like okay what's that what do I
need for and why should I be a part of
community I want to have electricity and
not a community and so how we actually
then entered the market this is what
really helped us u on the one hand that
we really coming from the utility
business and we understand the kilowatt
hours and the supply and how the
assets are producing and so we actually
started a little bit different even if
the platform was in place but there
is no word to put the customer on the
platform but he doesn't really know what
is worth or what's his benefit out of it
so we start actually simulating energy
communities
>> so it's also something that we developed
as a IT tool a 15-minut simulation it's
more like a forecast so actually we
provide to our customer like if you are
ready to become an energy community or
to start running the model. This is how
it look like for you. So these are your
assets. 80% of the produced electricity
in your asset will supply your metering
points which have a demand and in that
case you would need for example like I
don't know six 40% lesser less
electricity from the utility which is of
course more expensive and so we start we
start like that and at the moment for
example in Austria more or less
everybody knows after five years already
energy community. So we don't need to
simulate anymore. People are already
there. But at the beginning it was a
very important tool for us. it was
like more market education,
>> explaining the model, explaining the
benefits but also taking fears away.
>> Yeah. But this it's interesting all
the know how you could make education
with the concept new concept that now it
could be used in Eastern Europe
countries now.
>> Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Going forward, right?
>> Absolutely. because we see each new
market that we enter actually and we see
that there is I wouldn't say there is
no missing knowledge it's more like
missing information about the model
what are the benefits for me what can I
start and that actually also with the
model because energy communities or in
Germany it's called energy sharing by
the law it's a part supply model and
for the industry customers or or
business customer largememes
It's also very important to give them
the security if they engage with this
type of model that they won't have
any problems on the other
side with the utility with the grid
operator and all of these things even
if the law says nobody can make you
problems but still people are with
their utilities especially the B2B
customers or the industry for the past
50 years and now you tell them hey
switch to no like it's a hard thing. So
this is why you need to do this
>> explanations, simulations and give u
give the customer the safety. If you go
with me, you we the model
won't harm you. It brings you benefits
and you are safe with us.
>> And if you tell us that
it works in a SAS model or you get
some transaction commission on every
every transaction. How did it work
with the with the model?
>> Yeah. So it's a it's a typical SAS
model. So actually the kilowatt hour
each kilowatt hour that runs over our
platform because it's matched on the 15
minutes we collect the fee
>> and where did the micro PPA comes in?
>> Yeah that that are actually the microppa
it's the it's the it's the producing
side. So actually we need to give
the pricing for the kilowatt hour
produced in assets and this is like like
let's say a microppa because normal PPA
market is actually a financing market
they collect money to finance the future
project and then customer get the PPA
energy for from the wind park for
example let's take that example for five
to seven years for fixed cheaper price
but energy is as produced so it's not
structure so that in that case the
customer takes the risk. If he doesn't
need that energy, he needs to pay it.
>> You pay it.
>> Exactly. Or you market it and then you
have something, probably where
you market it on the on the on the
worseer conditions than you bought it.
>> In our case, it's not that you're buying
a large amount as produced.
>> u micropas are more more to say,
okay, we contracted an asset. we are
structuring it on 15 minutes and
this like package of structured
electricity going from the asset to it's
it's like micropa also because the
amounts are not the whole
capacity of a wind park it's maybe just
only one windmill which provides like
this type of structured micropa to one
municipality because one windmill is
really more than enough for one
municipality
>> I just want to understand like how you
onboard the asset owners so there is
there any minimum or maximum asset that
they need to have to be onboarded or no?
>> No, actually we do them as a pool.
>> Yeah.
>> So for us it's not that important if
they are like big or smaller or or
whatever. It's more that that load
curves are good structured you
know so if we would have only PV that
would be a bad load curve because then
we could supply our customers probably
with the large amount of electricity
only in the summer but in winter we will
provide them maybe 10% or 15 maximum 20%
of what they need. So by
structuring our our portfolio on
that side on producing side by having a
hydro and wind and PV you can
really serve on 12 months providing a
really a good portion of electricity
from that assets because of course
>> perfect are our PV and wind because
in the summer there are a lot of PV but
wind is not producing in summer and in
winter there is no PV but wind is
producing at it maximum. And in between,
in Austria especially when the
snow is melting. So in the between the
hydro the small hydro power plants come
come in. And so what we actually need to
take care is that we have a nice
portfolio of producing assets which are
supplying the whole year in this
type. At the moment the asset side is
not the problem because
>> how is it distributed between
technologies? How how is your portfolio?
well we always where we also look
at our demand portfolio and say that
also the demand curve is coming
together to the load curve. and
well let's say we have more than half
wind and hydro and the rest is PV
because of course you need to calculate
and PV much cheaper than the other ones.
So you need to put it put it
somewhere. So let's say like maybe 40 60
40 PV 60 and a little bit of storage
inside and yes
>> but the asset side is at the moment not
the problem because everybody would love
to give the asset into the pool
>> because if you have a asset which not
subsidized or in some subsidi in some
scheme at the moment they were they
are at the moment marketed under their
producing price and so that's a
problem for all asset owners. us at
the moment. And so this is why actually
we already have a list of assets waiting
to be taken into our pool because we
need to say hey you need to wait because
I need I need to have consumers to take
you in into my pool otherwise it's no
word for both of us.
>> Okay. So now you are looking for more
customers.
>> Yes. Because the asset side is
really now they people are calling us
and ask would you market my my asset
into the energy communities and
>> Oh that's cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Happy problem. Yeah, that's cool.
>> And do you have any number for
already the amount of customers that
you're serving?
>> I don't think it's it that type that
much matter of how many customers in
terms of because the customers are
different., you can have like
200 of household customers or
instead of them one industrial, one
industrial will probably have a larger
electricity demand than the 200
households. so what I love to say
actually is we have around in Austria
only 250 of these type of energy
communities or let's say like pools
>> that we supply and have the
supply and demand side the both sides
>> a good portion of them are really
municipalities where we provide
electricity to all municipalities
metering points so
their buildings you the
infrastructure that the man municipality
runs actually on her own also
schools, kindergarteners, all of these
things. and then also the
households. So mostly in the most
municipalities that we serve that
opened their their models to the
households, it's more than half of the
households of the municipality which are
already in the model. So there is very
very high interest also from the end
consumers from households. the more
let's say the half of the 250 or
something like that are municipalities
and the other half are
industry log as of producing industry
a lot because they really have larger
numbers of gawatt hours of what their
energy demand is and these are
really very very high cost for these
type of customers. So normally they have
the personal cost and electricity cost
are the second what they have in their
book. So it's it's really really hard
for them. we have some some really
really good and great skiing resorts.
They are also in Kikawat hours all of
them. and of course we supply
them with hydro PV. we put some
windmills into the municipalities.
>> so it's really a great experience.
what I'm very proud of for example we
have I think now four or five
municipalities where we did an energy
community together with a wind u
wind provider. So like a wind park
provider
>> and the wind park provider actually
>> asked us could we do the model that we
as a wind provider provide electricity
from the windmills. because in
Austria as if you want to
put the wind wheels you need the you
need a yes from the municipality and
from the households and from everybody.
So in each one of the municipalities
where we did a model that the people are
directly supplied for the windmill
>> they all go for the windmills. So there
was no municipality where they backed
off on the on the new wind park.
>> because they know the benefits they
have. They know
>> they know the benefits. They know okay
when I drive or when I look out of my
window to that windmill and it does like
this it does for me.
>> Yeah.
>> It's cheaper than utility.
>> Yeah. This is something that
regarding the business model is SAS and
also transactional fees. So what is
the different between them and how much
they can save?
>> so the model is set up by the
regulation. So they save on taxes. This
is what's cuted by the regulation. So
it's a big benefit. They cut on the grid
grid cost. So if you are part of the
energy community, you will pay up to 60%
lesser of the grid cost. And the grid
costs are the one that are growing each
year., we had this very high
the electricity price going high due to
the not only due to the war in Ukraine
also due to the shutting down the
nuclear power plants in France and
France becoming importer of the
electricity. France is normally
exporting in other EU countries. So it's
a lot what happens on the market and
push the electricity price. But now more
or less they are stable on a high level
but they are stable. What is actually
growing year for year it's a grid cost.
So this is a large benefit for the
consumers to save up to 60% of the grid
cost. And on the electricity itself you
have the benefit that you get actually
your price from the asset owner.
And when when a utility is doing
electricity price, they buy
whole electricity one year up front
>> to the price of one year up front, then
they put their risk markers on top
and the margins. And this is how you get
this very high price of let's say at the
moment at the market without taxes
around 12, 13, 14 cent a kilowatt hour.
>> And an asset owner for running the asset
and not being negative needs
depending on the asset
on the producing curve but he
needs around let's say approximately
maybe 6 7 cent. So if he says producing
cost plus 1 cent
>>
>> the consumer is getting the energy to 7
8 9 cent but not to 12 13 14. So this is
where you get better price. You get up
to 60% off on the grid cost and you
don't pay any taxes.
>> Okay.
>> And so these are the benefits along on
on the pricing
>> and it's a local energy
>> that's clean.
>> So if if we make a pyramid of the whole
whole model. So we start with the
asset ownersh.
>>.
>> PV provider, wind provider, hydro, small
hydro. Then there are it goes to energy
community and they get onboarded on your
platform.
>> Both of them. Yes.
>> Yeah. And then you have the D the DSO
the grid provider.
>> Exactly.
>> And then it goes to the end user. So
>> and they save on the grid provider the
the cost that you're saying or the 60%
that they're saving it on that that
part.
>> Yes. And the taxes they save completely.
you pay zero taxes. So let's it's
it's at the moment the taxes are only
the taxes are 2.3 cent a kilowatt hours.
>> So that's to totally cut on the grid
cost you save approximately three four
in some cases 5 cent a kilowatt hour and
on the electricity price you can also
save two three four cent a kilowatt hour
but actually the DSO is a monopolist.
>>. So the DSO he's only only let's say
only only for this model DSO has a
really huge role in the system a very
very important one. This is also why
it's important that he is a monopolist.
I'm I'm not against because
>> natural monopoly
>> it is a monopol because if the DSO would
not be a monopol you will have a double
infrastructure.
>> This this doesn't make a sense
because we don't have double roads we
don't have double cables you don't put
double infrastructure. So it's normal
that the grid operator is a monopolist
and providing this infrastructure in the
same way to all market players. But what
is he doing in our model? how is he
connected to the platform? He's a data
provider.
>> Mh.
>> So the DSO provides our our platform
with the data how much electricity did
for example you get directly from the
asset. This data it provides to our
platform so that we can do the billing
and it provides also the data to the
utility what you consumed for the
utility. So normally the DSO always send
the data to the utility and said for
example Raul in this year your household
let's say had
spend like 3, 000 kilowatt hours and now
he needs to send me the data I will
spend over the energy communities 2, 000
kilowatt hours and provide the other
information to the utility and from you
will get 1, 000 kilowatt hours. So the
utility will build you the th00and
kowatt tower and no will build you the
2, 000 kowatt towers and this is like
this is the role of the DSO as a
monopolist in the system and he needs to
provide the data to us and also to the
utility and now he needs to
split the data.
>> Yeah and you mentioned now that energy
sharing in Germany so in somehow
Austria was more advanced than Germany
so now they are catching up.
>> Yeah. And the law is starting on January
2026. So one month more. Today is
December the 2nd.
>> And how do you see the other European
countries regarding energy community?
What are the most advanced ones and what
are coming next?
>> So Austria was in any case first mover.
So no matter where we comes where we
come into new new markets, everybody who
is in any way wants to
know more about the model or run the
model or implement the model is looking
at Austria. So now Austria is really a
front runner. We have the model model.
We have the most advanced regulatory
model. but also our DSOs are the
most advanced in that data transfer
even if we still have some problems and
we communicating on daily
basis but it's a good communication.
It's it's really it's a good one. I
wouldn't I wouldn't now bash on
that because that developed really good
and we are partnering on a lot of
things with the DSO. So that works
great. so everybody is looking at
Austria. So this is also where we have a
very trustful position entering new
markets or you're coming from Austria
how to do these models because
we are all looking there.
>> nevertheless the regulatory now the
the German is the last mover
>> to be honest it is as it is we can't lie
on that. but nevertheless you have
the regulation implemented in all EU
countries. So actually it's possible to
run the model in all EU countries.
It's just a little bit let's say
different to what extent the regulation
put the model especially in terms of
benefits
>> like the transposition of the European
law into each country
>> absolutely so countries like Austria
says full transposition it's good model
let's develop that bottom up market
let's give the benefits to the consumer
so that that so that they go into that
models because they have some
benefit on money and the
plan is not to keep these benefits on
grid cost and on taxes forever. It's
just when you see the models develop,
people go to the model and there is some
some kind of level playing field with
the utility model then they will cut
these benefits and it's okay because the
model needs to be standalone on the
market also without sub subsidies
without these type of benefits but the
EU law put it in that way to say you
need to put some benefits into this
model by regulation just to be able to
push the models up because otherwise
it's not attractive.
energy market is very tight. Now we talk
about utilities, you can put it, it's a
little bit of oligopoly. Let's let's put
it like that. It's it's not really like
total free market of
>> still concentrated.
>> It's Yeah. Thank you for helping me.
It's a very concentrated market. So it's
not easy for the consumer to say, "Oh,
and, you come home, you
push the button, light is on, and you
don't care about it."
>> Yeah. So you need something that that
helps you to say hey I go for it I
will take my time and look
what it is and try it out. So this is
why the regulation wants to have these
benefits but nevertheless each country
as we are different in the European
Union put the law a little bit different
but it's it's it's there
and you can run the model. So at the
moment we have around I think in the
meantime already like 60 German
customers..
>> And of course we have some first
models like piloting in Belgium
and also in Italy and also in
Switzerland. So we are moving to these
markets. The German market is of course
the most important for us. It's a dark
region.
>> We speak the same language. So it's a
little bit seamless to go to that market
and we and what is more important than
that language and everything. it's
it's the biggest electricity market in
the European Union. It's a German
market. So the amount of electricity
which is supplied in Germany it's
it's the biggest market. So you can't
leave the biggest market no matter what
obstacles you have. And
obstacles in Germany are pretty high
because they didn't have a regulation
until last week and we see the run
because the customers potential
customers are calling us now. We have so
much inbound since since they passed
the law. So there is a huge demand and
need and customers want to have it and
>> somewhere they heard about Noil. So I'm
also proud about it because I was really
astonished who is calling us and how
they get our
>> amazing
>> name and number and whatever. So yeah
that that works well.
>> Lorena the utility they
have been very used to doing everything
by themsel like there's a bit
of resistance to any innovation. I'm not
saying that everyone but they are
liberalizing going forward but
Especially also for energy community the
trend is that they started their own
energy community some of the utilities.
Yes. How do you see do you see them
being a like a big competitor or they
will be able to because
>> y
>> it might be easier for them to
convince DSO right?
>> Yes I would love to put it on that way.
when you look at the electricity
market no matter if you look in Austria
or Europe in Austria you have 10
utilities and there is enough portion
for all 10 of them in Europe you have
players like Eon Watenfall EDF EDP I
don't know and there is enough for all
of them
>> so electricity market it's it's a large
market it's enough portion for everybody
so I think it's enough room So I don't I
see them as a legitimate player in the
market the same as we are. You need to
you have these cycles where you
really need to challenge the models that
we have in place and also provide the
market the consumer the stakeholders
also some new models let's say come back
to booking Airbnb and the old model
let's come with Uber and taxi. So you
know there are some cycles when new
models come and probably you can
have this type of examples when you go
further in the past you always have we
we all reinvent some some industry but
it doesn't mean to that that the old one
needs to die so it's not a kodak
scenario or Nokia scenario for me it's a
more scenario there is enough room for
everybody also the electricity demand is
growing
>> we are decarbonizing everything and we
are electrifying everything. So if you
go to the automotive sector, if you
go to e-mobility, we will need so much
electricity more. If you go for all
heings being electrified and push the
fossil out, it will be so much
electricity more needed. And I'm still
not with all data centers for artificial
intelligence which are I think in
McKenzie study with 140 terowatt hours
of
The cake is getting bigger.
>> Yeah.
>> So it's enough for everybody. It's now
enough for everybody. So I'm not I'm not
doing and if somebody feel wants to have
energy community from the utility, it's
fair enough. It's the same like it's
fair enough that somebody comes to me
and say what I want to have
something else in my utility. So it's
fair enough. I think
>> regarding the escalibility you mentioned
that you were seeing some neighbor
countries.
>> Yeah. So I wanted to go into
personally one of the most difficult
questions. Okay.
>> That
>> because you mentioned the all the
benefits all of energy communities the
saving taxes the h the grid expenses.
>> so all of this is being saved. So the
more our self producers the less the
grid is getting to maintain the
grid. So the question is now with more
energy communities who is paying the
grid?
>> We are all paying the grid always.
>> Yeah.
>> Since the all monopoly
infrastructure the taxpayers so we
are paying it all. But I know where
where your question is heading. you
know we have all I will again go to
the general we all always have this
situation that we are socializing cost
for infrastructure we are also
not all driving car but we all pay as
whatsoever paying taxes for
building up the lobo or whatsoever
infrastructure that maybe I don't need
or I don't want to have but still so
I think it's normal that the part of
infrastructure is always been socialized
also also the vinolin and uban and
everything this is all tax
taxpayers and it's still good for us you
know I would always love to pay taxes so
that they build more uban and they build
more of infrastructure and also the grid
>> okay so it's public owned
>> the grid yeah
>> the grid is public owned that's why it's
a monopoly and this is why but
nevertheless the guys who are
producing more with the PV of
course they push more electricity into
PV. So you could actually say now how
the tariffs are set up. Actually the
guys who are living in apartment in
Vienna are paying grid for and this is
always the opport like like how how how
some media like to put it. So the poor
guy in a social apartment in Vienna
is paying grid for the rich guy on the
vert having a large PV.
>> Yeah. But still we need to develop the
system. and it's normal that at
some point some cost for infrastructure
have been socialized like I said also
for the public transport these costs are
socialized no matter if you drive with
the public transport or not you
can use the bike every day I hope better
than a car but still so this is
normal but the state and the
European Union but also the e control
and Austria now with the new law
they of course try or or not try they
they do it now want to do the grid
tariffs according to how to use the
grid
>> so you think that the now the new
electricity law is kind of a respond on
that matter
>> partially I'm not now saying that
I'm for the grid tariffs for the
producers
>> it's more than we have also the grid
tariffs according to what we use from
the grid so this is the
first that they need to put in for
the pushing pushing the tariffs
for the producers. I'm not quite
for it to be very honest because we are
just pushing down the
renewables for the let's say
electricity that we will import because
the less electricity we push into the
grid the more we need to import because
we are
>> more expensive. We need more not more
expensive. It's nuclear. It's coal.
>> Of course, it's it's European mix. We
have Austrian mix. Austrian mix at least
>> super clean. Yeah. It's not super clean
because you have craft simmering
producing fossile electricity
especially now in the winter time and
and in eastern of so it's a
it's natural gas but Austrian mix is
nevertheless approximately let's say 70
60 70% hydro and then we have PV and
wind and
by 2030 it should be
>> exactly and then we have and then we
have a natural gas so this is Austrian
mix but when you import
>> from outside. Then you import coal from
Germany, nuclear from
>> Islamia or
>> yeah the bad old one nuclear the
Soviet ones from from Czech and yeah
you can there is a great app called
electricity map.
>> Yeah, super recommended.
>> It's super recommended because you can
really see
>> real time
>> and it's bad to see it when I see
Austria like yellow or or like
getting brown and I say okay why are we
importing so much of bad electricity
and why we are not green
>> yeah this is well regarding the
question it's in interesting because I
just realized that in my mindset is not
public owned because in Chile we were
the first country to liberalize the
electric market and everything became
private so it's a not natural monopoly
but private so all of these
initiatives I don't know what you mean
>> it's interesting
>> no in Europe we had the
unbundling regulation in 2000 where the
grid operator which is a monopouist
owning the infrastructure need to be
separated from the utility which is
actually a competitive part of the
market.
>> Okay. And this is why for example you
they needed to split all the
utilities and this is why you have now
in Austria venet that's the DSO the
monopolist the grid operator and vin
which is utility in the competition
>> okay
>> and you have it everywhere so you have
also in need
which is a grid operator is a monopolist
and f which is a utility in the in
the competition competitive markets. So
this is why and this is through whole
Europe.
>> and this is why we also get the data
from the grid operator because he is
stateowned monopolist and he needs to
>> provide data to everybody.
>> How willing are they to share the data?
You think the DOS they like to share the
data?
>> Yes. I don't think that they have any
problem to share the data. they have
problems more with the capabilities
how to share the data. the
digitalization it's the large large
topic and large issue and the
capabilities I think that's that's the
manpower do I have the real the
right people sitting in the office
which have the capabilities and the
education to run the data models and
and to do the all all these things I
think it's more not not that they don't
don't want to they need to put them in
the situation to have the capabilities
to do So it's a lot of digitalization
and it needs to be done there but you
know it's not only now in this
what happened us in corona time when we
realized we are not capable to exchange
the data so nobody knows and
this is the same like more or less so
they needed they had a really short time
to implement all this APIs and
everything to be capable to provide
us with data in the market but we are
moving and every today it's better than
the past one. Let's
let's say it like that. So it's it's
okay.
>> Lorena you already you were
talking about like the Austria getting
electricity from the neighboring
countries. Do you think like why your
platform and going forward also the
other Eastern European and the central
European countries they it will be
lucrative for the factories to share
energy between your platform. they can
that let's say a check factory wants a
clean energy
>> and they could just talk to you and that
you are able to provide them.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And we are really
approached by by different type of
industry and businesses and
producing because they have a lot of
them have also need for clean energy
because they have some ESG rules they
need to meet and they need to
deliver or or or whatsoever. So it's
money. so they have a large need
for green electricity. Next to
that
>> that they have some own assets which
they want to incorporate in their
supply. So this is not working very well
at the moment where for example you have
a company who has two or three sites
somewhere let's say in Austri in some
Europe let's say in Slovakia. Yeah. one
is in Bratislava and the other
ones are somewhere else and they have
some let's say large producing asset on
one side because they have a large
rooftop and with great opportunity.
>>.
>> And they produce their surplus energy
but they can't supply their office
building in Bratislava by their own
produced energy. the system is so this
is where we come and say no problem we
have a platform you put your all three
sides on the platform connect them with
each other as a energy community energy
hub energy sharing come on name it as
you like it I don't I don't have there
any any problems so you name it
>> and this is actually and then you
can share first your own energy
throughout all your metering points as a
company and now it this this possibility
is not is just not there and this is a
lot of our customers in Austria are
exactly doing doing doing doing that
model when they say okay I have multiple
sites or let's say for example the
bookstore Morava which you probably know
as a student in Austria because they
have a lot of bookstores and then they
have a large facility somewhere else
so this is for example one of our
customers which I'm very proud of
because I studied I studied law
and when you study law you have a lot of
books. So I always like Morava and
spending time also there as I was a
student and so now they have a
producing asset on there like this
facility they have outside of Vienna and
now we will take them all in a
pool and then they can supply with their
own PV also their their bookshops in
Vienna and so this is actually
with the skiing resorts is more or less
the same. skiing resort has a lot of
metering points owned by them on the one
side but they are not connected and we
are connecting it by our platform and
it's a large benefits for all B2B
customers. you touched upon the
willingness of DSO sharing data, but do
you think that also there's a inherent
unwillingness on the government side
that they still don't trust the
cloud-based data yet and all all
like your at model at Noil and a lot of
innovative innovative solutions because
they have the data on the cloud and the
the distrust between the government it
faces a lot of hurdles with I'm not
sure on that because I would
challenge on that why because
of the very simple answer that all our
governments are using Microsoft
which
as we know now there is one case where
the Microsoft shut down all the services
to one person it's a judge and he is
like cut it off from from from the world
his credit card doesn't work he can't
book anything it they just cut down cut
him down. I'll put you the case. Very
interesting. but actually they are
all using Microsoft. So they're also
using Microsoft cloud
>> the data centers in the US.
>> Exactly. So if we compare to
Noil is using and if you want to say no
has a server in Austria and our data are
in Austria and in Germany. So
what. But I always give an answer
to this question. Hey guys, we are all
using that and of course we need to
rethink it that there is some also
because of this case that happened they
are now on the European Parliament on
European Commission level also thinking
because this is part of our European
security
>> business everything happening
>> that's also yeah but I don't
I don't think that's that's the issue
and I think we have a large awareness
of we need to also start in is start to
have our own service providers also in
this tech part of the business and
also in the AI world and in all of
these things. So I think we will
move forward also on this in Europe. A
quick run on something it's just not
a part of our DNA in Europe.
maybe to put it like that and it
doesn't need to be a bad thing because
actually Europe is still the nicest
place to be in the world to work and to
live and whatever you want to do.
>> It's also part of the Yeah.,
it's still and so also or or
how to how I love that that that
sentence., the democracy is the
most inefficient way to rule a country,
but it's still the best way or we still
doesn't have nothing better than that.
Even if it's the most inefficient way
because no matter how many voices you
have on the table, we all need to cramp
to the same point.
>> Tell Raul that it's the biggest
democracy.
protype of democracy there. But this is
another podcast. This is another
podcast.
You are right. But it's another podcast.
>> She deserves an applause.
>> But what I actually
not saying India Indian democracy is I
don't know what you said, but I'm
wearing a Indian jacket today.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, but what I wanted to say maybe
it's not always of course we are
triggered by what others are doing and
we are al of course watching very much
to the US and to China and have the
feeling they are running over us by this
AI and all of these big tech companies
like Ma or Alphabet or whatsoever. But
what we need to ask ourself is that
the quality of living and of the models
that we want to have or or is it maybe
even better to say okay give me your
Instagram give me your Facebook we run
with that for a couple of years then we
come up with okay this part is good this
part is really bad and this part you
really don't want to have where they are
observing you whatsoever and then do our
own model which is also good and which
is maybe more sustainable than all of
these models. I was I would always go
for Europe and our model of doing
things even if it's slowing down if it's
inefficient.
>> but
>> yeah actually we went to China three for
three weeks the last month.
>> Okay.
>> And well we can share a lot of things
about the tree but not now.
>> But one of the things it was interesting
that many of their goals are based in
European goals. So for example they are
aiming to have carbon neutrality to 2060
and it's close to 2050 and then all
the we saw we had a lecture about
synthetic fuels for airplanes
>> and they set all their goals
>> to match with the European goals
>> of course. So it's like okay it is
low but it sets some
>> no even standards.
>> Exactly. Because what they really know
is we can do it in other way than
Europe because we are autocracy. So no
matter what I want what I goal I have I
can push all the money and everything I
want into that because it's an
autocratic system. So I rule by top
down. but nevertheless they are
intelligent enough to know Europe is our
biggest market is of course next to us
our most important market and this is a
market which is setting the standards on
environment on safety it's not only
environment it's also safety
>> data protection
>> data protection or just for my
Christmas lights not to burn down my
house it's also a safety standard
>> and so they know they that on the one
way we have standards which are anyhow
good for everybody like don't burn my
house with stupid Christmas lights.
on the one way and on the other
way if they don't go with that
standards they lose their markets
and US market is in yeah they
they have a little bit lower standard
than us but they still have standards
you
>> yeah well the conversation is getting
super interesting
>> like running out of time so we wanted
to move to the future vision So we
wanted to ask you this just to
dream if if you would have hundred
million euros what would you or where
would you invest it on to accelerate
energy transition.
>> Okay. So I would put two hats. So
one is of course no
>> in a startup
>> if I would no if I would have a next
funding round of 100 millions.
>> Yeah. after our last five million
around., of course, we would try,
of course, to push up, push this
model even if you need to subsidize and
something just to gain a market share
and to roll out, as I love to say it,
a bottom up, supply model
because, I'm totally convinced,
and we have already like 50
employees, which are more all really
much younger than I am still. So, it's
really bad. which I see there is a
need on market and we need
something like this. so the system of
just top down by even if they are 10 in
Austria but by the big guys is just not
sufficient for us to
have a resilient energy supply for
the future. So if you would give Nobel
100 million euro, we will go and run
for the market just to give the
possibility of all consumers to have
this model and to supply them locally
and because when you supply yourself
locally, you also support the guys who
are building the assets, you are
creating working place locally within
your municipality, within your region
and so on. If I would be a politician
politician
of the somewhere in the EU or in
Austria, of course, I would push for
for grid and for renewable. So for
flexibilities, sorry. So let's say
renewable assets in terms of
flexibility, storage, storage, storage,
storage, storage, storage. And then I
don't need any thermal assets on
nuclear because then I don't need that
base load power plants. I need
flexibility. So grid and flexibilities
storage batteries storage storage
>> amazing
>> storage storage
>> but having said that also in the future
vision how how do you see
like you have a platform which is
replacing PPA the human negotiators
there's also a large share of AI in
energy trading as well how do you see
that going forward
>> forecasting also and everything yeah so
a lot of things are getting auto automat
it which also means more efficiency in
the system and it's also always good to
have in this type of industry efficiency
because anyhow you are working
with systems
so you are gaining efficiency and if
you had a system where one guy is
calling the other guy to start running
some plant because the grid needs
electricity or something it's better to
digitalize this process so nobody
actually lose that much if we digitalize
ize this information is going from A to
B in 10 seconds. Please push the
turbine or whatsoever. so we are
gaining a lot of efficiency and we can
then when you ask me who is
paying for the grid so we can use
this u this efficiency gain to put that
money maybe into into into the into
other type of systems because the value
chain of electricity is really a
large value chain and if you go
throughout the value chain you will
always find
where you need money and where
you can put more workflow and where
you can create new business models
and therefore create new money there,
flexibilities
again, create new infrastructure which
creates new new working places and all
of this. So yeah I think I think
digitalization efficiency gaining it's
is very very important and we need to do
more on the digitalization of the grid
also because when you go for the
e-mobility
and all these vehicles are moving assets
there are flexibilities I just can't run
vehicle to grid because I need the
capabilities of the grid so that my
electric car can also
serve as a flexibility for the grid
and also to sell energy to the utility
provider.
>> Yeah. And now we have to ask this
because it's on the table everywhere is
AI. So what do you think that is the
role of the AI in energy communities?
>> Yeah. So I think every and each of the
new technology
needs to or has has place in the
business models it always
start with the buzz word and then you
know and everybody needs to have like AI
AI AI and at some point that settles and
then you really see okay where it's
really beneficiary where it's a must and
where it's still just a buzz word and
okay to have but No, no, no, no much
need when you go to things of
like doing the forecast and
doing all of these things. So AI can
really be a very good tool and a good
put good benefits in the whole in the
whole system. Also when I when I look
how you manage the grid and
everything of course the AI can provide
you with that quick u data processing
that within I can't even imagine you
know I'm I'm I'm a lawyer I'm not a
technical guy or woman but the
it's it's processing data out of grid
and can provide the TSO
with such important information in
such a short period of time in
seconds or or lesser than a minute
>> and this is of course where you gain so
much benefits and you can
you can just do your work much better
and much of
stability you get out of from the
system. So I think AI is really
important. we need to implement it
into into our systems and because
it's it's doing a lot of benefits I
don't need it everywhere but it's the
same with all technologies I don't need
them everywhere and if I if I put it
really in a proper way then it can
have a lot of benefits so yeah we need
AI also in electricity for me it's it's
it's set it's it's
>> it's for the fault now
>> yeah you Oh, you always
need to go with a new technology. Just
just discussing technology as something
bad. It's it's no word.
>> Just go for it and you will see what
what at some point you will come up
where is the benefit for different type
of systems or industries or whatsoever.
Yeah. And do you feel that going forward
Nobel being the capability that
Nobel has and if you are also
collaborating with a utility or can
become a digital arm of a utility that
you'll be able to scale more
>> well of course
>> especially with Vin energy for let's say
for example
>> of course of course to be very honest
in Germany we are really doing a lot of
So we are working a lot with
the utilities.
>> So we have like more than 30 customers
in Germany which are utilities.
and actually yes of course they are
scaling us because each one of the
metering point of customer which is on
our platform no matter if it's directly
you or you throughout Venge or some
other utility
>>.
>> you are my customer. So yeah and as I
said on the whole beginning it's
enough room for everybody and to be very
honest I sent also my customers to
the utility and say
this is where you get get get a good
good electricity contract and we are
also partnering with some utilities
also in Austria and it's good it's
good it's it's a nice thing. Great. And
now thinking in future any
transitions we say that it's a marathon.
So we have 2050 like a goal but it could
be even more. So what would be your
advice for the young professionals
getting in this sector and especially
for woman?
it's it's it's unbelievable how
interesting the energy sector it is
especially electricity. it's it's you
are learning so much new things so
much interesting things and of course
it's something that has a purpose well
because at the end we all need
electricity. It's good. and it's
needed. it's needs some efforts
because young people at some point
I see it with my employees. Okay. They
need to understand that things are not
running that quick as maybe in a
lifestyle industry or or in
fastmoving consumer industry. That's why
it's called fastmoving consumer industry
and not slowmoving electricity industry.
so but it's so interesting and it
allows you at the end it's such a
wide spectrum. So when you as a young
person come into this industry at
some point you have really a lot
that you later can choose what you want
to work with. Do you want to work with
the utility? Do you want to go with the
DSO? Do you want to be a technical guy
and build the windmills or PVE
plants? Do you want to calculate the
business? Do you want to sell the
business? So really there is such a wide
range what you can do. and if you go
a few years through the business as I
did you will learn so much about so
much different things about the
physics you also if even if you do just
about I don't know working in
customer part talking with
customer you still need to know that the
grid is stabilized at 50 Hz. You need to
know that. So you also need to have some
a little bit of physics of
economics.
We are talking about the tariffs of how
the system is working that
windmill is producing in winter and
PV in summer and the load curves. So
it's so much of knowledge that you get
out of spending time in the
industry that I can really say to
each one of young person and look I'm a
lawyer so you can come really from a
from education which has really nothing
which is so far away from electricity
because it's not technical it's not
economics and I would really
invite young people to try out the
industry because it's very interesting
and there are so many paths they can
take then later on it's so open to
women it's of course more difficult like
in every industry this is just
statistics it's not Lorena it's
statistic
>> but we are fostering that's why
>> we are fostering it's changing to be
very honest and as I my beginning in
electricity but it was not much diff
I'm a little bit different in the
lawyer's office but also the same I was
really very often sitting alone with
male on the table.
>> And so at some point you get used to
that. At some point it's annoying but
it's it's no word no matter you just go
your way. And this is why I need to say
to every woman just don't care about it
and do your way but it's changed at the
moment a little bit. So there are more
>> and how do you see the trend at Nobel
right now.
>> Yeah. So yes and what I wanted to
say is the industry became
wider also through the companies
like Noila is but also to the companies
like the guys who build the wind parks
and who build the PV plant so you don't
really need to go to this a little bit
more
>> stiffer
u corporates you can choose you can go
so I see that people feel very
comfortable with no because we are also
a very diverse and as we did the last
funing ground. it's it's a it was a
it's it's now around a year ago and we
get international also European VCs
who funded us. and then we also and
this was also our wish from Peter and
myself to put into into our statute
that our goal is to have 50% of
the women and 50% because I think you
always start with yourself.
>> Yeah. And if you don't want to give that
effort in your own company then you
don't need to go to other ones and say
hey why do you have so less women. So
still it's not that easy. So we are
pushing hard also on that. We also
pushing hard on being very diverse.
we are now English speaking company.
>> Wow.
>> Let's ask for another applause.
>> Yeah. Let's see.
>> Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah. So we really I'm proud
of that. We have guy from Nepal. We
have a guy guys from from from South
America. so and a lot of Europeans.
we have yeah some some some people
also from Israel. So we are so
diverse as as as we can only be and
it's a so I would say actually to
all the companies it's such a
beneficiary for a company for being
diverse because you get so much of
different inputs which helps your
businesses and our customers are also
diverse. So we also need to
meet our customers with also
how we are as a company and how we are
acting. What one thing we are saying
with the energy bridge is that the
energy transition can wait can't wait
for the language.
>> No. So it has to be going in forward
with one language. So that's why we also
try to foster English in the entire
region.
>> Yes. Yes. And this is also the way
to go. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. it has been amazing to
have you very exciting conversation.
yeah, we look forward to have you
maybe again in our next forum. Of
course, your participation was super
insightful and energetic
and yeah, do you want to add something?
>> No, just thank you. It's been an
honor and we really feel your
energy. So onwards and upwards for Noil
and for you and for everyone around you.
Thank you.
>> Thank you guys. I enjoyed it and it
was such a pleasure and hope to do a
lot of things together with the two of
you and the energy bridge also in the
future and thank you so much.
>> Amazing. Thank you and thanks the
community for watching the episode until
the end and see you in the next episode.
Cha chiao.

Energy Democracy in CEE | Lorena Skiljan on Scaling Energy Communities & Micro-PPAs | TEB S1E16

Local energy cuts grid costs

Market education crucial for adoption

Wind park acceptance increases locally

DSO data sharing is capability-limited

Europe's regulatory standards drive global goals

Energy sector needs diverse talent